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We meet Mondays at 6:30 PM
Numurkah Golf & Bowls Club
Numurkah Golf & Bowls Club
Tunnock Road
Numurkah, VIC 3636
Australia
Numurkah, VIC 3636
Australia
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Due to extreme heat, our first meting for the year, a combined meeting with Lions, has been relocated to the Numurkah Bowls Club, Melville Street Numurkah.
Entry forms for the Rotary Club of Numurkah 39th Annual Art & Craft Exhibition to be held March 8th to 11th are now available.
Offering $10,000 in Prize Money the exhibition is one of the best art exhibitions in Regional Victoria.
Offering $10,000 in Prize Money the exhibition is one of the best art exhibitions in Regional Victoria.
Linda and Peter reported on the "Pals Panthers" participation in the Tri-State Games in Adelaide.
Victoria, New South Wales and South Australia compete in games with 35-40 teams and over 300 athletes.
Pals Panthers came 2nd in athletics, 2nd in swimming and 3rd overall.
Thanks was expressed to the Rotary Club for providing sponsorship.
Jade Connolly currently studying for a degree in Veterinary Science attended the Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA), a 7 day experienced based conference for young adults aged 18-30 to further develop character and leadership skills, empowering young people to lead.
RYLA aims to:
· Demonstrate Rotary's respect and concern for youth;
· Provide an effective training experience for selected youth and potential leaders;
· Encourage leadership of youth by youth;
· Recognise publicly young people who are rendering service to their communities.
Every RYLA program covers the following core topics:[1]
· Fundamentals of leadership
· Ethics of positive leadership
· Importance of communication skills in effective leadership
· Problem-solving and conflict management
· Rotary's purpose and service to the community
· Building self-confidence and self-esteem
· Elements of community and global citizenship
Leaders are persons who guides or directs not dictates. Learnt to be part of the solution not part of the problem in teamwork.
Discovered self by portraying positive emotions,. Must believe in yourself.
Jade concluded by screening a short video of the conference.
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John had a sheltered but awkward life growing up on a dairy farm in Albury. Always making and inventing things. With the creation of the Albury Wodonga Development, the river flats were purchased and family moved to Mulwala.
Developed irrigation equipment inventing a stop that works with automation. With the drought irrigation became more efficient, with less time needed for better crops. Save 1/3 water by watering faster.
Today Australia has the most efficient surface irrigation in the world. Cotton industry now has 3 times yield with GM cotton. To survive on world markets have to get smarter.
Padman Stops the biggest pre-cast industry in Australia.
John now works on research and development with son Shaun running the business. Challenge is to take something complex and make it simple.
After the suicide of a worker John became involved with mental health promising to help prevent suicide.
Phil Ashton spoke of his experience of working with a Relief & Development Agency in the U.K.
Regional Co-Ordinator and worked on the "Tear Fund Projects" in East Africa countries of Kenya and Tanzania on community health programs.
Improving diet by teaching how to care and breed small animals and establishment of water wells. Water in developing countries is not clean.
Infant mortality high, distribution of maternity kits reduced the mortality rate.
Aim is to change people's lives. However dire the situation, wherever there are human beings there is ingenuity, determination and hope. And those three qualities are the surest way out of poverty
Bridgette, Elisha and Bronte participating in St Mary Secondary College "Alternate Schoolies" from 28th November to 16th December.
Will travel to the Philippines at act as volunteers in needy centres.
Each student had to raise a minimum of $500 to be spent on the needy in the Philippines.
Thanks to Rotary for their support.
Darren Smith lived in Numurkah most of his life attending Numurkah Primary School and Numurkah High School.
Apprentice at Newport Railway Workshop for 2 1/2 years, returning to Numurkah to complete trade. Moved to Emerald Qld. then back to Numurkah.
In 1991 started up a tyre shop, business grew nd employed local people, Joined the Tyre Power Group, an independent co-op where the business is run by the owner.
In 2015 decided to sell business and moved to Calandra with wife Elizabeth working at the Cairns hospital as unit manager for 2 1/2 years with himself working for a Chinese tyre company,
Decided to return to Numurkah. Old business came up for sale, taking-over in October.
Gone a full circle.
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Dan from G.V. Water welcomed Rotary to the treatment plant.
10 years ago the old plant had reached capacity and water quality was not always the best.
Options were to build new plant in town, which was not recommended due to lack of space and nearby houses. Second option was to build on a new site out of town with GM Water channel being source of water.
New site provides 300 mega litres of storage. Old plant delivered 6 mega litres per day new plant 10 mega litres a day.
Cost of plant was $12M.
G.V. Water services 54 towns from Marysville to Cobram.
Possibility of plant supplying water to Nathalia if their old plant has to be decommissioned.
Kate Reghazani & Andrea Holmes discussed their new business of Rush food & travel.
Andrea advised that they hope to open soon, perhaps within the next 3 weeks. They are both local girls who grew up in Katunga, love netball, football clubs, Hawks & being involved on local committees. Andrea was educated locally & moved to Melbourne for a career in finance until she returned to start a family. She went into business with her Husband & brother in law by buying the Telegraph 2005 where Kate started working for them. Andrea & her Husband juggled family & business & subsequently purchased the local Newsagency in 2009. Following the closing of The Common Thread, Andrea & Kate came together to brain storm to consider a business niche for Numurkah. They hope to create a relaxed atmosphere, where customers can enjoy a great coffee, purchase a gift & plan a holiday.
Kate’s aspect of Rush has been there for sometime. Kate first worked at Regent Café & then Dairy Delights where food was taken to another level. She then became second cook at the Telegraph & then worked the bar. She then travelled to America as a summer camp counsellor in Tuxedo in North Carolina where she worked for the next 5 summers & subsequently became an assistant Director. In 2010 she travelled around the world to the United Kingdom, Europa & South America. In 2014 Kate joined Escape Centre in Shepparton where she attained a Cert III in travel. She quickly became a Team Leader but was keen to travel again to America to work in the summer camps.
Now opportunity has arisen for them to commence their new business for travel advice. Opening a business has taken longer than they expected, but they look forward to commencing soon & provide a business that will be open 7 days a week.
President Stephen Mills inducted Geoff Austin into the Rotary Club of Numurkah.
Pictured: Steve Mills, Membership Director Kate Hodge, Geoff Austin and Marie Austin.
Sergeant Tim Gleeson from Numurkah Police Station talked to the club about the Head to Head Walk from Gippsland and Mildura to Wangaratta to raise money and awareness of Mental Health Issues amongst retired police members. They are hoping to raise $500,000. PP John Watson announced that the Board had approved a donation of $250 to the project and Jeff Buzza was presenting the cheque to Sergeant Gleeson the next day.
Past District Governor Bernie Bott presented PP Jacque Phillips and the Numurkah Rotary Club with an International Presidential Citation for 17/18 Rotary year. PDG Bernie Bott announced that as the President for that year we had met 26/27 goals set for the year.
Lou conducted a Club Runner Workshop illustrating the features of the Numurkah Rotary website.
Thanks to Mat and Deb from the Numurkah Community Learning Centre for the use of the NCLC lap-top computers and arranging the use of the facilities and room, and Mat for his guidance to members.
A big thank you to Gary Phillips for the pizza dinner and Stephen Mills for the drinks.
Responding to the challenge to send an email, when I arrived home the following were in my inbox.
Kate 7.25pm, John 7.27pm, Jennifer 7.32pm. Gary 7.32pm, Sally 7.35 and Rex 7.40.
Well done, and the night achieved the milestone of all members logging in to Club Runner.
Paul Arnel, Principal St Joseph's Primary School and President of Numurkah Football Netball Club was guest speaker.
President of Numurkah Football Netball Club for six years with wife Jodie and five children involved in the club.
The club has 500 members and participants fielding 18 teams, providing opportunity for families to engage at a level of their choice
Football teams AusKick, Under 10, Under 12, 4th, 3rds, Reserve and Seniors.
Family orientated, perception of a boys club and grog shop wrong as club serves the community. With 11 netball teams and 7 football teams the club is female dominated. days of boys club has changed.
Club has a turnover of $300,000 to $400,000 with club striving to improve facilities with spin off a benefit to community. Plans to build a new netball facility, install new lighting and a car park.
Relationship good with community is good with club providing monetary and physical support to families in need.
Murray League looking to move into two divisions.
Culture and environment of club is to serve the community.
Secured Susan Alberti to be guest speaker at Business Breakfast Wednesday 3rd April.
Philanthropist, businesswoman and women's football league pioneer Susan Alberti has been crowned Victorian of the Year. The well-known Melburnian, who has helped raise millions for charity through her medical research foundation. It comes after Ms Alberti won 2017 Melburnian of the Year. The prominent philanthropist is known for her charity work, in particular raising funds for diabetes research, and for her work in helping to develop the women's football league. Her passion for medical research developed after her daughter Danielle was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes in the 1980s and later died from complications associated with the disease. Ms Alberti is the former vice-president of the Western Bulldogs Football Club, which she has barracked for since she was a child. Her work to nurture and financially support the AFLW competition has been a focus for decades. In 1997 she received an AM (Member of the Order of Australia) for her contribution towards the cause of diabetes research, and was a finalist in the Australian of the Year Award in 1997 and in 2009. She was awarded an AO (Officer of the Order of Australia) in 2007, and the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC) Award in 201
Gerrard Daniel founded Nu Genes in 1989 with two partners, with the aim to respond to peoples needs offering herd testing, artificial insemination, de-horning, milk testing DNA testing.
Now has 51 employees and 40 vehicles and branches in Gippsland in Maffra and Western District in Terang.
In 1974 Australia had 7,926 dairy farms, in 1986 14,986, 2000 7,926 and today 6,000.
Need to change with the times with the introduction of huge corporate dairy farms, and employ staff willing to travel. Servicing farms from Forbes to S.A. and all over Victoria.
Has made mistakes along the way, if you think everything is going to go your way - you are dreaming.
Meet challenges by responding in a realistic way.
Past not so bad, future exciting.
James Miller spoke to the club prior to travelling to Canada to compete. Competing at school, zone, region and state levels with success James was invited to compete in Vancouver.
James returned to the club to speak on his visit to Vancouver to compete in school athletic competitions.
Flew from Sydney to Vancouver on a 14 hour flight with fellow competitors then to Kelowna Campus of the University of British Columbia. Competition was amazing coming 3rd in long jump, 6th in 100 metres, 4th in javelin.
Returned to Vancouver touring city and Mt. Whistler then competitions at week-end. 5th in high jump, 5th in long jump and 5th in javelin. Training day with excellent coaches.
Visited Universal Studios and Disneyland.
Since returning has competed in School Zone Athletics achieving firsts in long jump, 100 metres, high jump and relay. Was awarded the Age Champion Award.
Russell and Bruce Harris spoke to the club about the Numurkah Fishing Club's proposal for the construction of a jetty in the lake for fishing.
Seeking support from Rotary for the project.
Plans have been drawn up by the Shire with need to dredge part of the lake and to bring in a pylon driver. The jetty will be constructed of Murray pine and be an all ability jetty designed for wheel chair access.
Approaching all service clubs and community groups for support, as jetty for everyone, not just the fishing club. 11,000 fingerlings released into lake so is well stocked, just needs access.
Karen & Sam paramedics with Ambulance Victoria stationed at Numurkah. spoke on heart attacks and strokes.
Heart Attacks occur when blood vessels are blocked. Symptoms include chest pain. discomfort in arms, back, jaw, neck, shortness of breath.
Call 000 if in doubt, do not leave to following day as time frame is short with death of heart muscle cells occurring causing permanent damage.
When calling 000 a series of questions will be asked.
Administering aspirin helps break up the blood clot. When paramedics arrive an ECG and blood test will be taken. MICA has other thrombolytic drugs available to break up the blood clot. Transportation to hospital will be arranged .
Strokes can be caused by clots in the brain - Ischemia, where loss of blood will cause cells to die.
Haemorrhagic stroke is bleeding in the brain causing pressure.
Symptoms are unsteady gait, slurring of words, difficulty breathing, loss of consciousness.
Code 1 to Shepparton or helicopter from Bendigo to transfer to Melbourne.
Thanks to Karen & Sam for an excellent presentation and answering the many questions from members.
Heart Attacks occur when blood vessels are blocked. Symptoms include chest pain. discomfort in arms, back, jaw, neck, shortness of breath.
Call 000 if in doubt, do not leave to following day as time frame is short with death of heart muscle cells occurring causing permanent damage.
When calling 000 a series of questions will be asked.
Administering aspirin helps break up the blood clot. When paramedics arrive an ECG and blood test will be taken. MICA has other thrombolytic drugs available to break up the blood clot. Transportation to hospital will be arranged .
Strokes can be caused by clots in the brain - Ischemia, where loss of blood will cause cells to die.
Haemorrhagic stroke is bleeding in the brain causing pressure.
Symptoms are unsteady gait, slurring of words, difficulty breathing, loss of consciousness.
Code 1 to Shepparton or helicopter from Bendigo to transfer to Melbourne.
Thanks to Karen & Sam for an excellent presentation and answering the many questions from members.
Neville is passionate about indigenous involvement in community.
Goulburn Murray Catchment Authority charter to include aboriginal participation.
Model of inclusion of aboriginal people in society with economics bringing about a common ground, not benevolence, but inclusion for social change.
Murray River corridor an opportunity to be inclusive and diversify as other Catchment Management Authorities form a tri-state alliance collaborating to do it better in managing resources and allowing people to develop to their best potential, not relying just on welfare.
Education, health and economics parity so the aboriginal people can look after themselves and not depend on other and be empowered to help others.
Doing it the same way for so long, with nothing changed.
Neville enlisting private sector involvement to bring about business disciplines.
Commenced a musical career after school, touring Asia with an orchestra as a percussionist.
On return commenced a cadetship with Coles and in 2000 joined father with IGA for 18 months.
Moved onto Woolworths for 5 years in various management positions. Then became a rep on the road with Coca Cola for a year. Met Adele and committed himself to father's business for 5 years, still with business after 14 years.
Extensions needed as over trading in area. Took 10 years with Shire to obtain permit, final paper-work on-going.
Proud of achievement, most up-to-date store under the IGA Banner.
Wayne then conducted a tour of the supermarket.
Ross Abberfield Goulburn Murray Valley Regional Fruit fly Coordinator stated fruit fly was a massive issue in the Goulburn Valley being a threat to horticulture where 50% of Australian apples, 70% of pears and 100% of canning pears are grown.
Community involvement through Councils, growers and community groups have responded well.
Ross spoke on his experiences as a member of the Rotary Vocational Training Team visiting Canada and touring farms and processing and research facilities.
East Coast of USA and Canada was an historical area with generational roots with large scale horticulture. Visited the Great Lakes, and Amish farms, and exchange team members who visited Australia last year.
Cornell University research into fruit fly, new styles of horticulture developing new varieties.
Diversified farms with big acreage leading the way in robotics, packing sheds automated with new generation equipment.
Trip enabled partnerships and relationships to be developed with industry representatives with view for exchange of information and tours, building a network across three nations.
Tam Joyce a Chaplain at Numurkah Primary School for last 2 1/2 years. Enjoying role working 2 days a week.
Role is to provide pastoral support for school, not only students but also parents and families.
Demand on teachers to not only educate but care for wellbeing of students puts teachers under stress.
As Chaplain takes on board issues teachers do not have time for. Presence always available to students who often need an adult support.
Issues:
1. Friendship and peer issues.
2. Mental Health issues.
3. Family bread-down causes emotional distress impacting education.
Breakfast program Monday & Thursday with baked beans, cereal and toast to up to 50 children.
Kitchen garden established to provide provisions to be utilised in kitchen.
Community connections important. "Takes a village to raised a child".
Drum Beat Program building resilience through drumming. 11 children participate bringing changes in children from not engaged to teamwork as a member of a team.
Thanks to the generous support from the community, over $500 was raised for the Farmers Drought Relief.
Due to unforeseen circumstances the Rotary Business Breakfast with Rachael Robinson has regrettably been cancelled at this time.
An alternate speaker is being sought by Rotary.
Rotary apologises for any inconvenience.
Craig Beamish was guest speaker at club meeting on 6th August
Craig moved to Numurkah in 2005, applied for posting in Shepparton posted to Numurkah.
Passion is community engagement.
GOOD SAM developed in UK to develop community resilience.
Operating Internationally, GoodSAM (Smartphone Activated Medics) incorporates the world's most advanced emergency alerting and dispatching platform with a community of over 40,000 highly governed trained and trusted responders. The GoodSAM Cardiac system integrates with ambulance service CAD (computer aided dispatch) systems to trigger bystander response while the ambulance service is on route. GoodSAMPro provides a Community First Responder (CFR) dispatch system dispatching advanced care beyond cardiac arrest. Now with "Instant-On-Scene" - the emergency services can see the scene/patient via a video link. The system is now used by police, fire and other services for a host of emergency situations.
Runs in background on smart phones alerts health care professionals and gives closest AED.
AED (automated External Defibrillator) 18 in Numurkah but only 2 registered, most only accessible 9 to 5. Plan to install at Information Centre, Courthouse on exterior walls for 24 hour access.
Ambulance Victoria second in world on out of hospital cardiac arrest care.
Triple 000 has a filtering system with some addresses flagged not to attend unless with police back-up.
President Stephen Mills inducts Phil Ashton as "A Friend of Rotary"
Marilyn Damm OAM guest speaker.
Spent career as a teacher working with deaf children, 11 years working in research with Cochlear Ear.
- Implication:
Language forms basis of who we are and eventually group up to be. Deafness effects education and ultimate job.
- Understanding:
Normally child begin to hear in 25th week. Mother's voice important. In first year normal children learn to understand which is necessary for speech development.
- Communicate:
Need to speak to others to develop speech and understanding ready for school.
- Ability to think.
Children talk as they play. Previously not diagnosed till 18 months. At school four years behind normal child with a poor outcome.
- Times have changed:
New born hearing screening tests with hearing aid at 10 months.
Most debilitating handicap now with normal results.
Working one day a week at Taralye working with parents with early intervention.
Passionate about Parent-Child Mother Goose program, which uses enjoyable activities to support attachment and interaction between parents and their children. Promotes children's health, wellbeing and achievement throughout later life, forming a strong foundation for life.
District Governor Malcolm Kerr and Jill Kerr official D.G. Visit to club.
D.G. Malcolm reported he has met with Board and was impressed how the club was working for the community.
"Be The Inspiration"
Who, What, Where and Why?
Who - Inspire non-Rotarians, inspire community. Most importantly inspire yourself to influence others.
What - Rotary Values: Service, Diversity, Integrity, Fellowship.
How - Show others we love what we do, service above self.
Keep Rotary Meetings fun.
Show by example Rotary is the service club to join.
Jill Kerr spoke on her chosen Partner's Program for the year.
"Rural Aid" Financial and emotional support to the rural community to assist mental health.
District Governor Malcolm Kerr presents Sapphire Paul Harris to P.P. Bill Hewson.
Kevin Moreland, assistant Manager of the Numurkah Golf & Bowls Club made a presentation of a cheque for $2000 to President Stephen Mills.
Kevin stated the Numurkah Golf & Bowls Club welcomes the Rotary Club each week and supported the Rotary Club in their community projects.
Kevin would like to attend a meeting later in the year to give an insight into the Numurkah Golf & Bowls Club, but raised the possibility of the Rotary Club hold a Golf Day, or Bowls Day to raise funds for Rotary.
President Stephen Mills accepted the cheque stating the Rotary Club has a good relationship with NGBC and thanked the NGBC for their support.
IMMEDIATE PAST DISTRICT GOVERNOR BERNIE BOTT:
Bernie thanked the club for allowing AG Chris Sutton to serve on the District team.
Bernie made a presentation to Chris thanking and congratulating her for her service to the District.
The Koala Rescue Project has been developed by shelter owners and volunteers at Dutch Thunder Wildlife Shelter in Koonoomoo.
Over the last few year the shelter has seen an increase in the number of koalas suffering and dying of the highly contagious sarcoptic mange aka "scabies". So far the Shelter has had 85 cases from along 30km stretch of the Murray River.
At this stage the shelter has no effective treatment for scabies. The most common and humane outcome is euthanasia.
The primary aim of the Koala Rescue Project is to eradicate scabies and save the koalas.
When found the koalas are usually in he later stages of infestation with thickened and crusted skin. They are malnourished, dehydrated, weak and sometimes semi-conscious.
Project Objectives:
Saving one animal won't change the world, but it will change the world for one animal.
Geoff Spencer spoke on the centenary of the battle of Le Hamel 4th July 1918.
Historical context, terrible conflict with outmoded tactics of British with unacceptable deaths and causalities.
In 1917 1st Australian Army Corp commanded by an Australian Lt. Gen Sir John Monash who questioned traditional approach, did proper risk assessment and understood modern warfare with the role of infantry to advance under the maximum possible protection.
Comparing the Battle of Fromelles, under British command, and the Battle of Le Hamel, under Lt. Gen. Sir John Monash command.
Fromelles worst single night in Australian Military history, whilst Le Hamel was a perfect battle. Fromelles duration 14 hours, Le Hamel 93 minutes. Outcome Frommels a failure with 7,000 casualties with no ground won, Le Hamell successful with 250 killed and ground won.
Le Hamel was meticulously planned, consultative conferences and intense training.
Success of Le Hamel helped change the mind-set from defense to offence.
46,000 died on Western Front, with 21,000 buried in beautifully kept cemeteries, with 15,000 bodies still lie undiscovered.
Vocational Service Director Jeff Buzza presenting the Vocational Service Award to Paul Tozer Principal of the Numurkah Secondary College,
Paul was selected due to his excellent leadership and development of the college as well as his encouragement of the College to engage with the community.
The Col McPherson Community Service Award was presented last week to Terry Brennan by Duncan McPherson.
DGE Malcolm Kerr inducting Stephen Mills as President 2018-2019.
President Stephen Mills with the Board for 2018-2019. Immediate Past President Jacque Phillips, Vocational Service Director John Watson, Treasurer Jeff Buzza, Secretary Jennifer Rodger, PR Director Lou Hamon, President Elect & New Generations Director Lorraine Greenwood, Rotary Foundation Director Julie Andrew. Absent: Membership Director Kate Hodge and Service Project Director Grant Deppler.
Appointed in January 2018 to Numurkah District Health Service as a Community Development Worker Dairy Industry Support.
Aim is to build resilience in dairy industry.
Talked to community members and the dairy community. Dairy farmers indicating the need to catch up with one another.
Awareness Raising:
Social Connection Activities:
Aim to improve awareness of importance of health and remove stigma of mental health. Men's Health Night well supported with nearly 200 in attendance, reaching the community. Guest Speaker Heath Black had a profound impact as he talked about AFL culture and how he tackled his depression.
The night will provide an opportunity for men to learn some general information about their health, have a good laugh with mates and listen to our special guest speaker Heath Black. Former Fremantle Dockers player Heath Black has had his fair share of battles on and off the field. This inspirational speaker uses his own experiences to motivate audiences to overcome the obstacles that life puts in their way.
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Induction of Marie Austin by president Jacque Phillips. Pictured Membership Director Kate Hodge, Marie Austin, husband Geoff Austin and President Jacque Phillips.
Marie and Geoff have resided in Numurkah for 20 years, Maree a primary school teacher now teaching English at TAFE to migrants.
Became interested in Rotary after visiting St Jude School in Tanzania.
James Miller is a 16 year old student at St Marys is seeking financial support to compete in Canada.
In 2017 entered school, zone, region sports with success, then state championships where without coach won first place in the high jump.
Invited to compete in Canada. Set up go-funding, applied for several grants, an "Out of Uniform" day at school to raise the necessary funds.
Coaching difficult to access in the country but has found a coach in Bendigo who is assisting with technique. Highest recorded jump 1.81 m.
Leaving for Vancouver on27th June.
Phil Ashton a garden designer spoke on his gardens.
Phil commenced by saying gardening is a disease, and he can not help himself.
Phil showed phots from his first garden a 1 acre block in South Gippsland.
Starting with a blank canvas to create a large garden, photos showing progress. Use of herbaceous borders as wind breaks (and because he from England), cut into rooms. Woodland garden under planted with bulbs.
Phil suggested in garden design look for views and long perspectives, repeat planting in odd numbers, using next door as a borrowed landscape.
In 2011 made a fresh start on a 1/4 acre block in Mirboo North.
Phil suggested if you do not have a green thumb grow succulents.
Three things to remember:
1. Put some autumn colour into garden.
2. Plant perfume or aromatic plants.
3 Plant for wild-life.
When buying natives, buy in tubes.
2018 starting all over again in Numurkah.
Phil concluded with Greek Proverb:
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in"
